This is definitely a valid concern that many layers of staff face. There can be opportunities to do this, but it’s kind of a “walking-on-eggshells” art form. The best opportunity would be when meeting with upper management on the overall Lean initiative. I tend to have these crucial conversations with leaders by scheduling a program review. We discuss pluses and minuses, and strengths and weaknesses about the program (I have them identify the pluses and minuses and strengths and weaknesses, not me). Sometimes, they are the ones that bring their lack of involvement to light! Then, they decide what to do about it.